tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post3937121260485665594..comments2024-03-28T07:36:37.715+00:00Comments on Lord Belmont in Northern Ireland: Mount PantherTimothy Belmonthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15111145260662707575noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-42221357387691349822023-08-22T22:03:23.086+01:002023-08-22T22:03:23.086+01:00My great grandfather and his brother (Samuel and R...My great grandfather and his brother (Samuel and Robert Lewis) worked as carpenters at the 'big house'. Robert and his family lived at the Knocksticken gatehouse. He named one of his children George Allen Lewis after the owner of Mount Panther. Heather Sherrardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05250195904747047115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-54881034055107609612022-06-25T18:16:31.532+01:002022-06-25T18:16:31.532+01:00Hi, I wonder if anyone can assist me with my quest...Hi, I wonder if anyone can assist me with my quest, I recently turned 60, and of course, we all reminisce 😘. Lol. I used to attend school in Downpatrick, both De La Salle, and then the Technical College, during the 1970's. I am trying to find old friends, and reminisce. I am trying to find Elizabeth Fitzpatrick, can anyone assist me ? Dennismcallister1961@gmail.com Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-82596368326273314102020-11-01T02:40:06.711+00:002020-11-01T02:40:06.711+00:00Hi Mary I am the the granddaughter of harold Alexa...Hi Mary I am the the granddaughter of harold Alexander allen of nunsquarter and what an interesting line of allena we have. I lived in Portaferry as a girl in the early 70s. I am currently looking into all my line..obviously john Reed allen is a name I have been familiar with as a young girl. My family has a crypt in ballyalbert. Please get in touch for pics etcYvonnewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14154140891997212292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-76713277404562562482020-01-13T08:43:27.594+00:002020-01-13T08:43:27.594+00:00Hi Tim
According to the Blackwood Pedigrees held i...Hi Tim<br />According to the Blackwood Pedigrees held in the Linen hall Library John Reed Allen’s mother was Elizabeth McKibben who’s second husband was Hugh Dornan.<br />The McKibben family still own the first farm on the left hand side of the Castlewellan Road when leaving Clough, land which was once part of the Mount Panther estate.<br />At the time of the Griffith Valuation the land in question, which lies in Knockstricken townland, is said to have belonged to David Stewart Ker of Montalto who was married to the Hon. Anna Dorothea Blackwood, daughter of Hans Blackwood, III Baron Dufferin and Claneboye, and the only house on the land belonged to Sarah Fitzpatrick.<br />Does anyone know, are the McKibben family of Clough one of the three cousins of George Allen who inherited some of the Mount Panther estate?<br />Cheers<br />TimTim Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172818251851355128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-86000276447128675302019-09-17T01:43:22.861+01:002019-09-17T01:43:22.861+01:00Hello Tim
I can confirm that the Allens shown on ...Hello Tim<br /><br />I can confirm that the Allens shown on the tombstone mentioned above belong to the senior line of the Allens in County Down, The first William Allen shown in the inscription was the second cousin of George Allen of MountPanther. George was descended from the third son of the progenitor of this particular line, and Alexander from the first son. <br /><br />Apart from this one line above there are three other documented lines from an even earlier Allen.<br /><br />Hope this helps. Messages to the supplier of this photograph, via WikiTree, have failed.<br /><br />Sincerely <br />Mary<br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-31056459563026996642019-09-15T18:23:18.029+01:002019-09-15T18:23:18.029+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Yvonnewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14154140891997212292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-74267051659418155082019-09-15T18:12:31.411+01:002019-09-15T18:12:31.411+01:00https://photos.app.goo.gl/QBEwqXap1Pm4zGAL6 Mary y...https://photos.app.goo.gl/QBEwqXap1Pm4zGAL6 Mary your message is intersting please see attached link which is my ancestors grave where lists the Allen's of old and I think we are of the same Allen's.Yvonnewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14154140891997212292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-28186409281374025822019-08-24T22:26:08.855+01:002019-08-24T22:26:08.855+01:00Hi this is really interesting my name is rosina al...Hi this is really interesting my name is rosina allen and I am this family, as a child in the early 70s we knew of this house and our family as Allen's in the county down...we lived in portaferry my grandfather was harold Alexander allen not sure if he was nephew of George . My Eliza allen is in our family crypt ...thank you Yvonnewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14154140891997212292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-16694168828274292282019-08-07T17:14:17.504+01:002019-08-07T17:14:17.504+01:00Regarding my previous question above, a correction...Regarding my previous question above, a correction: I think they might have lived there sometime between 1859 and 1876 when JR Allen owned the estate.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-1940437947904962302019-08-05T20:25:51.234+01:002019-08-05T20:25:51.234+01:00The James Smith and Jane (Gracey) Smith family sup...The James Smith and Jane (Gracey) Smith family supposedly lived at Mount Panther sometime between 1858 and 1879. I imagine they might have worked there, as James was a labourer. I believe this would have been during the time that George Allen owned the estate.<br /><br />Jane (Gracey) Smith's father was Samuel Gracey of Woodgrange. Perhaps Jane's family was related to Thomas Gracey and that connection resulted in their living at and/or working at Mount Panther.<br /><br />I'm trying to determine whether they actually did live at Mount Panther at some point in time.<br /><br />If anyone has any insights about this, I'd very much appreciate knowing. ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-63481477499078446172019-06-06T04:02:16.381+01:002019-06-06T04:02:16.381+01:00Sorry
I made a mistake in a message I posted lat...Sorry <br /><br />I made a mistake in a message I posted late last night. I should not work from memory. I stated that John Allen of Portaferry and his wife, Isabella McKibbin are both buried at Ballyhalbert. That is wrong. Please delete. They lie in another graveyard closer to Portaferry.<br /><br />MaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-90709921590913189492019-06-05T12:33:16.791+01:002019-06-05T12:33:16.791+01:00For your previous correspondent, I have some detai...For your previous correspondent, I have some detail about George Allen's uncle called Alexander, ie brother of John Reed Allen. Alexander bp 26 July 1813, died 27 March 1863, married Elizabeth Dawson of Liverpool in 1840. They had three daughters - Helen married but died childless, and both Ann and another daughter died young.<br /><br />From the six children of John Allen of Portaferry, I know of only two continuing lines of descent. One line is from his son, John Reed Allen's third son, my great grandfather, Alexander, and the other from his fifth child Eliza Gracey.<br /><br />The name Alexander was used so frequently that there could well be another Alexander who married Rose, maybe a different generation or as a second marriage also.<br /><br />MaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-52275313246700247082019-02-11T10:57:34.545+00:002019-02-11T10:57:34.545+00:00Hi
The Linenhall Library, Belfast, holds the Blac...Hi<br /><br />The Linenhall Library, Belfast, holds the Blackwood Pedigrees for the Allen family and the related families of Murland, Gracey, Hunter and Craig of Carricknab, worth a look if you haven't already done so. I have already recorded a lot of this info on my Reunion family tree database, if it would be of interest to you please feel free to make contact with me.Tim Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172818251851355128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-20659751822706857162019-02-10T18:28:49.999+00:002019-02-10T18:28:49.999+00:00This is so intersting, I am a desendent of George ...This is so intersting, I am a desendent of George Allen and lived in portaferry as a child in the early 70's recalling my family's conversations of this property and how they visited the property. I am just starting out on my family tree and the research so far keeps bringing me to George Allen and this property. If anyone can help me I am the granddaughter of the late lieutenant alex allen and the late rosina allen.i believe the connection to George Allen is he is a an uncle of my grandfather.<br /><br />Thank you Yvonnewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14154140891997212292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-81229897845940351102018-11-04T17:11:39.206+00:002018-11-04T17:11:39.206+00:00Does anyone know if one of the previous residents ...Does anyone know if one of the previous residents got called gentle John Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-3494451905199537802018-06-25T08:33:58.143+01:002018-06-25T08:33:58.143+01:00Has there been any further progress on this commen...Has there been any further progress on this comment?. Many thanks, DonnaDonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007487113072928451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-50576559521728758152018-01-31T01:41:03.738+00:002018-01-31T01:41:03.738+00:00Dear Tim,
My late father used to tell of purchasi...Dear Tim,<br /><br />My late father used to tell of purchasing furniture from Mount Panther, probably in the 1950s or '60s. I'm unsure as to whether this was during an auction at the house or if the furnishings were sold off piecemeal over a period of time. Perhaps there is some information to be had on this from the other Belmont-ites out there on the interweb?<br /><br />BTW, Tim, I have at last managed to get hold of a copy of the book you recommended, HMSO's Archaeological Survey of County Down from the 1960s, and it does indeed contain some excellent information on the house, as well as shots of the interiors. A superb reference book.<br /><br />Yours,<br /><br />Churchmouse in North Antrim.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-68054328523183274982018-01-02T11:18:39.814+00:002018-01-02T11:18:39.814+00:00Thomas Gracey of Ballyhosset and Eliza Allen possi...Thomas Gracey of Ballyhosset and Eliza Allen possibly had another son, the Rev. David Gracey, (1841-1893), President of Spurgeon's College in 1884, who was born in Northern Ireland. Rev. David Gracey was the grandfather of General Sir Douglas David Gracey whose family were involved in building railways in India and who had an illustrious military career serving under Lord louis Mountbatten of Burma.<br />Army career summary<br /> • Commissioned into 1st King George's Own Gurkha Rifles (The Malaun Regiment) (1915)<br /> • Brigadier General Staff Western Command, India - 1938<br /> • Commanding Officer 2nd Battalion 3rd Queen Alexandra's Own Gurkha Rifles - (1939–1940)<br /> • Assistant Commandant of Staff College Quetta, India - (1940–1941)<br /> • Commanding Officer 17th Indian Brigade, Iraq and Syria - (1941–1942)<br /> • General Officer Commanding 20th Indian Division, Burma - (1942–1946)<br /> • Commander in Chief Allied Land Forces French Indochina - (1945–1946)<br /> • General Officer Commander in Chief Northern Command, India -1946<br /> • General Officer Commanding Indian I Corps - (1946–1947)<br /> • Chief General Staff, Pakistan Army - (1947–1948)<br /> • Commander-in-Chief Pakistan Army - (1948–1951)<br /> • Retired with honorary rank of general - 1951<br /><br />Colonel Thomas Gracey (1843-1921), Inspector-General of Indian Railways, married Mary Grace Ada Gaye on 23 Oct, 1875, at Christ Church, Simla, India. Mary Grace Ada Gaye was a daughter of Brig.-Gen. Douglas Gaye R. A., Inspector General of Artillery for India. Colonel Thomas Gracey and Mary Grace Ada Gaye had one son and four daughters.<br />Mary Kathleen Gracey (4 Jun, 1879-Apr, 1902)<br />Norah Gracey (b. 29 Apr, 1881)<br />Elizabeth Helen Gracey (b. 18 Mar, 1883)<br />Lilly Gracey (b. 15 Sep, 1893)<br /><br />Their son,<br />Colonel Thomas Douglas Gracey (19 Mar, 1877-1964) followed in his fathers footsteps as a colonel in the Royal Engineers responsible for constructing railways in the North of India and finished his career in Ireland as colonel of the Royal Engineers at the Curragh. He married Agnes Campbell of Devon, where they lived at Northcote Manor, now a small hotel.<br /><br />When Ballykinler Camp was constructed old army huts were moved from the Curragh army camp to Ballykinler, presumably by the Royal Engineers under the command of Colonel Thomas Douglas Gracey who it seems was then living at Mount Panther.Tim Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172818251851355128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-74233070126068449212018-01-02T11:18:21.247+00:002018-01-02T11:18:21.247+00:00As I mentioned above Mount Panther was inherited b...As I mentioned above Mount Panther was inherited by Robert Samuel Hunter of 'Ma Vie, Cooden, Bexhill-on-Sea, who married secondly Jane Smith (1858-1931). Their daughter, Phyllis Hunter M. B. E., of 'Ma Vie' Holywood, Co. Down (1893-1988) married Colonel Harold Charley C.B.E., D.L. of Seymour Hill (1875-1956) on the 9th June 1923 and are buried in the Charley family grave at Drumbeg Parish Church, Co. Down.<br /><br />Colonel Thomas Gracey (1843-1921) and Robert Samuel Hunter of 'Ma Vie, Cooden, Bexhill-on-Sea, (1853-1932) were both first cousins of George Allen of Mount Panther through different grandparents of George Allen.<br /><br />Robert Samuel Hunter and George Allen's shared grandparents were James Murland of Annsborough (1774-1850) and his wife Mary Craig (1777-1851), a daughter of Samuel Craig of Carricknab, Ballykinler, Co. Down, (1732-1819) and his wife and cousin Anne Craig, (d.1822) a granddaughter of the Rev, Craig of Donaghadee, all presumably cousins of James Craig, I Viscount Craigavon, (1871-1940) whose great grandfather was Robert Craig of Ballyvester, Donaghadee. James Craig, I Viscount Craigavon's father was James Craig J.P., of Tyrella House, beside Carricknab and Ballykilner, Co. Down.<br /><br />Colonel Thomas Gracey and George Allen's shared grandparents were John Allen of Portaferry (d.1816) , who worked as a tanner, and his wife Elizabeth McKibben (d.1829), who secondly married Hugh Dornan.<br /><br />According to Blackwood, Thomas Gracey of Ballyhosset and Eliza Allen had two sons and three daughters.<br /><br />Elizabeth Gracey (23 Mar, 1838-12 Mar, 1914)<br />Isabella Gracey (20 Jul, 1839-18 Jul, 1921)<br />Colonel Alexander Gracey (17 Nov, 1840-24 Feb, 1918)<br />Colonel Thomas Gracey (21 Jan, 1843-16 Jun, 1921)<br />Mary Gracey (26 Jan, 1850-27 Jan, 1917)Tim Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172818251851355128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-49334484459640622722018-01-01T09:23:17.152+00:002018-01-01T09:23:17.152+00:00Tim Scott.
Eliza Allen married Thomas Gracey, JP ...Tim Scott.<br /><br />Eliza Allen married Thomas Gracey, JP of Ballyhosset. Eliza, b 1808, was the aunt of George Allen who owned Mountpanther until his death in 1929. Her son was Thomas Gracey, Colonel, RE and he was therefore the first cousin of George Allen. This Thomas had two children - Thomas Gracey and Elsie Gracey. <br /><br />All of George Allen's 6 siblings predeceased him, and we think that only one of them had children. They would be nieces and nephews, <br /><br />Although the Allen family is a large one, many died dsp or unmarried. Much inter-marriage between the lines occurred. Third cousins who have inherited from another line, may be connected to the inheritance to which you refer. Relevant names may be Musson, Carleton, Carey and Armstrong, but this would need to be searched. <br /><br />George also had third cousins who would belong to the Montgomery Family. Names could be Montgomery, Ferguson, Staples.<br /><br />Mount Panther itself was one part of a large cluster of properties. <br /><br />Hope this helps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-32871578132023738902017-10-31T15:34:43.059+00:002017-10-31T15:34:43.059+00:00I love driving past this house, looking up at it a...I love driving past this house, looking up at it and wondering what it once looked like and what it could of become if it had of been looked after properly. A stunning propertyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-52972554740267211702017-09-06T07:46:47.817+01:002017-09-06T07:46:47.817+01:00Good question, which I'm afraid I cannot answe...Good question, which I'm afraid I cannot answer. Is or was there ever a place or townland near Hillsborough with the name Hollywood or even Holywood?<br /><br />Bence-Jones makes no mention of any name other than Eglantine in his guide.<br /><br />Tim.Timothy Belmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15111145260662707575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-91144161413398739622017-09-05T10:41:13.185+01:002017-09-05T10:41:13.185+01:00Hi Tim
Could Eglantine House, Hillsborough, have ...Hi Tim<br /><br />Could Eglantine House, Hillsborough, have been previously known as Hollywood House?<br /><br />Colonel Hugh Moore of Eglantine House and Mount Panther, grandfather of Hugh William Armytage-Moore, the creator of the garden at Rowallane, Saintfield, was the grandson of Robert Isaac of Mount Panther and his wife Anne Bailie of Inishargie, Co. Down. Robert and Anne’s daughter, Deborah Isaac married John Moore of Clough House and their son Colonel Hugh Moore of Eglantine House, Hillsborough, and Mount Panther married Priscilla Cecilia Armitage.<br /><br />Turtle Bunbury writes in his blog about the Bunbury family, in a section entitled ‘The Bunbury Isaac Family’, that Thomas Bunbury, 1760 - 1823, married Susanna Priscilla Isaac, a daughter of Simon Isaac of Hollywood House near Hillsborough, Co. Down, son of John Isaac from whom he inherited Hollywood House. Turtle goes on to tell how Thomas Bunbury took the Isaac name upon inheriting Hollywood House after Susanna’s brother Lieutenant John, the last of the Isaac male line died at the Battle of Fontenoy, in 1745. It seems Turtle hasn’t been able to find out what became of Hollywood House, near Hillsborough, or where it was actually located.<br /><br />In the Entrance Hall of Rowallane House the National Trust have a display that states the land of Rowallane passed by marriage from the family of General Nicholas Price, of Holywood, Co. Down, a nephew of the original owner, James Hamilton of Bangor, who died without a male heir, in 1707, to the Isaac family of Mount Panther and from Deborah Isaac by her marriage to John Moore of Holywood, Co. Down to their son Colonel Hugh Moore, of Eglantine House, Hillsborough, and Mount Panther who married Priscilla Cecilia Armitage in 1798. <br /><br />The question is, was Simon Isaac’s home at Hollywood House near Hillsborough the same place as General Nicholas Price’s home at Holywood, Co. Down and did it then become Eglantine House, the home of Robert Isaac’s grandson, Colonel Hugh Moore?<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />Tim.Tim Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172818251851355128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-80483053415236514462017-08-24T18:29:15.515+01:002017-08-24T18:29:15.515+01:00Hi Tim
It seems likely that the Mount Panther nam...Hi Tim<br /><br />It seems likely that the Mount Panther name may have originated from the lions that were recently stolen from Rowallen, they may have started life adorning the entrance of Mount Panther. The creator of Rowallen Gardens, Hugh William Armytage-Moore was a grandson of Colonel Hugh Moore of Eglantine House, Hillsborough and Mount Panther, he acted as Land Agent for the Earls of Annesley. Colonel Hugh Moore married Priscilla Cecilia Armytage and their daughter, Priscilla Cecilia Moore, married William Richard Annesley, III Earl Annesley and was the mother of Lt.-Col. Hugh Annesley, V Earl Annesley, who married his first cousin, another Priscilla Cecilia Moore, a sister of Hugh William Armytage-Moore of Rowallen.<br />Maybe my hunch about the Rippingham family is not so far off the mark, Adolphus Rippingham, son of William Rippingham of Harborough Magna, was one of the original owners of Newbold Hall, now Newbold Revel, next door to Harborough Magna. Two lions still stand on the gateposts of Newbold Revel, which is now a Prison Service training establishment.<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />Tim.Tim Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172818251851355128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-8852650879048004192017-05-19T09:05:59.189+01:002017-05-19T09:05:59.189+01:00Hi Tim
I've just checked on line on the Trini...Hi Tim<br /><br />I've just checked on line on the Trinity, Down Survey, website, http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/landowners.php <br /><br />Francis Annesley, I Baron Mountnorris, I Viscount Valentia, 1585-1660, Prime Secretary of State for Ireland, 1616-1634, and Vice Treasurer and Receiver General of the Revenue in Ireland, 1625, was recorded as being the owner of Cloghram townland, consisting of 400 acres, also now known as Mount Panther, in 1641 and in again 1671. Francis, who held a further 105 townlands in across Ireland, was the great great grandfather of Francis Charles Annesley, I Earl Annesley of Castlewellan and Mount Panther, 1740-1802, whom you mention in your blog above. <br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />Tim.Tim Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172818251851355128noreply@blogger.com