tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post6884055685066091105..comments2024-03-28T07:36:37.715+00:00Comments on Lord Belmont in Northern Ireland: Great Armagh LandownersTimothy Belmonthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15111145260662707575noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-15177809380593274132018-04-07T15:14:42.326+01:002018-04-07T15:14:42.326+01:00Wonderful and helpful stories! Sadly I am one of t...Wonderful and helpful stories! Sadly I am one of those ancestors who knows his family was NOT Gentry. My father said horse thieves, but I think we were somewhere in the middle. I started my research on the Pentland family of Ballyworkan. All farmers and running cattle from there through Poyntzpass and back through Market Hill. While my family finally bolted to Canada in 1928, many Pentland and their ilk stayed and one resides on the same land as her Great-Grandfather. In exploring their stories about ties to the Battle of Boyne, I've been doing what I can as an armchair genealogist. Lovely to have so much online now. To my point, that many of the names you mentioned a familiar to me through George Pentland. A middle man I unearthed amongst those titled Land Owners. His name seems connected personally to land around mill sites and water like rivers and ports, always in a path from Derry and Belfast to Drogheda and Dublin and/or helping Gentry collect fees, stave off creditors and find land aka with voters as freeholders. If I recall, George came to an untimely end with the many enemies he'd made. I'm not sure if he is related, but Pentlands in Ireland believe we are all from the same source. The question for me is now to find out how a Scottish name arrived [likely military] and, for me, some found themselves farmers/residents of Ballyworkan. Also that some of the Ballyworkan landowners were known like Pepper and de Salis, but the Kelly family who had Tandragee Road sewn up is still a mystery unsolved. Eg. Alexander D Kelly and Mrs Mary Ann Kelly. Anyway I am blathering, but appreciate your work!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06163324428949547810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-13602523276718209762009-12-09T16:28:36.680+00:002009-12-09T16:28:36.680+00:00Anon, many thanks for that info.
TimAnon, many thanks for that info.<br /><br />TimTimothy Belmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15111145260662707575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-14855053921198449092009-12-09T14:56:38.794+00:002009-12-09T14:56:38.794+00:00Castledillon House was built designed by Twenty Tw...Castledillon House was built designed by Twenty Two Over Seven and landscaped by Park Hood. It's the home of the Jayne Harrison (Joyce Estate Agents) and Johnny Doherty (Rutledge Joblink).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-25304830931005288512009-11-23T15:37:10.481+00:002009-11-23T15:37:10.481+00:00Sorry, senior moment!
I published the article abo...Sorry, senior moment!<br /><br />I published the article about Castle Dillon already, several days ago!<br /><br />I've posted my Tandragee Castle piece today.<br /><br />The Viscountcy of Charlemont will appear imminently.<br /><br />TimTimothy Belmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15111145260662707575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-85455433883950116742009-11-23T15:33:58.383+00:002009-11-23T15:33:58.383+00:00Look forward to reading it - IBLook forward to reading it - IBIainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07448334614581812201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-86081266518146424682009-11-23T15:26:14.760+00:002009-11-23T15:26:14.760+00:00Many thanks indeed for the kind words about my blo...Many thanks indeed for the kind words about my blog.<br /><br />I'll be publishing a piece about Castle Dillon - the original one - shortly.<br /><br />TimTimothy Belmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15111145260662707575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-54208663804290235742009-11-23T15:07:53.077+00:002009-11-23T15:07:53.077+00:00Well done for a great website. Regarding the new ...Well done for a great website. Regarding the new Castledillon, it's great to see grand new homes being built in the classical style. As for what it says about its owners, we cannot say, but I'm sure there is much the same mix as in centuries past: a desire to display wealth, leave something lasting to posterity and announce the family's 'arrival'. We should not forget that today's new rich are tomorrow's old rich - and vice versa - and this house follows a rich tradition. IBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-24065776858215228622009-11-07T11:54:28.112+00:002009-11-07T11:54:28.112+00:00I think the new build house looks rather nice....
...I think the new build house looks rather nice....<br />Wish I could afford to build one like that!<br />Jamie Brownlow, the Major's son, who lives at Ballywhite in Portaferry would fill you in on all the Lurgan stuff, and probably a lot more Armagh history.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09377477402766591095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-31930941725434713152009-11-07T09:00:29.163+00:002009-11-07T09:00:29.163+00:00They were in Loughgall Manor, none around now. Th...They were in Loughgall Manor, none around now. They're closely related to the Cowdys at Summerisland.<br /><br />Bit of a Pandora's box of high-acarage Armagh landowners you've started!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-29293302954256607262009-11-07T08:42:35.862+00:002009-11-07T08:42:35.862+00:00Re Drumbanagher: I'll add it to my list. The c...Re Drumbanagher: I'll add it to my list. The closes owned 9,087 acres in 1876.<br /><br />And heard of the copes? At Loughgall they owned 9,367 acres.Timothy Belmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15111145260662707575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-42344367056296885922009-11-06T23:29:06.884+00:002009-11-06T23:29:06.884+00:00Same family, yes. William Brownlow (who died about...Same family, yes. William Brownlow (who died about 10 years ago) had a statue of Master McGrath in Ballywhite and kept a greyhound (as I remember). <br /><br />Not sure about the "Castledillon House," I wouldn't want to conjecture any further as to the sort of person who'd build it - but, yes, it could be worse!! <br /><br />W.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-55168275926642922212009-11-06T23:17:30.622+00:002009-11-06T23:17:30.622+00:00Hello Anon,
Many thanks for that. I wondered if ...Hello Anon,<br /><br />Many thanks for that. I wondered if the Portaferry Brownlows were connected to the Lurgans; presumably they'd be distant cousins...<br /><br />Did you know about Castledillon House? Looks impressive.<br /><br />I intend doing articles about Castle Dillon, Tynan Abbey and a few others soon.<br /><br />TimTimothy Belmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15111145260662707575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705771450596300887.post-20345212520490095292009-11-06T22:50:23.268+00:002009-11-06T22:50:23.268+00:00You forget the rather exotic Counts de Salis, who ...You forget the rather exotic Counts de Salis, who inherited land around Tandragee, don't think they had a big house though.<br /><br />The Closes at Drumbanagher have the estate still (house gone) - do a good shoot though.<br /><br />The Verners were baronets, one was MP for the County in the middle of the C19th. If there's any left they're in England.<br /><br />Mentioning Bessbrook, there's also the Richardsons, who ended up owning a fair amount of the land around Bessbrook & Camlough, but they were mainly linen. Isaac Corry MP lived in Derrymore House, which was on their estate. JSW R. left it all to the NT in the 1980s.<br /><br />The Brownlows went down south and to Portaferry.<br /><br />Perhaps Co. Armagh isn't an attractive place to remain living in!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com